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		<title>Comment on So long, and thanks for all the fish by forestboar</title>
		<link>http://esgetology.com/2010/03/12/so-long-and-thanks-for-all-the-fish/comment-page-1/#comment-2439</link>
		<dc:creator>forestboar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 00:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ll miss you.  Hope you get back the passion, the eye of the Tiger, the thrill of the fight.  Or at least the urge to blog again.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#039;ll miss you.  Hope you get back the passion, the eye of the Tiger, the thrill of the fight.  Or at least the urge to blog again.</p>
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		<title>Comment on So long, and thanks for all the fish by Tom Fast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Fast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to miss Esgetology. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m going to miss Esgetology.</p>
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		<title>Comment on So long, and thanks for all the fish by Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So sad that it should come to this. </description>
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		<title>Comment on So long, and thanks for all the fish by Dan at NR</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan at NR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely want to leave it up if it&#039;s not a financial drain on you.  Other sites reference your stuff, and you can always come back.  When/if you do, the RSS readers will let us know you&#039;re back.   
 
Thanks for blogging! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely want to leave it up if it&#039;s not a financial drain on you.  Other sites reference your stuff, and you can always come back.  When/if you do, the RSS readers will let us know you&#039;re back.   </p>
<p>Thanks for blogging!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The (Post)Mark of the Beast by Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hard to be pastoral in those cases, though I try to put it out of my mind and give what I am given to give.&quot; 
 
That, in itself, is a blessing.  Keep keepin&#039; on for Jesus. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Hard to be pastoral in those cases, though I try to put it out of my mind and give what I am given to give.&quot; </p>
<p>That, in itself, is a blessing.  Keep keepin&#039; on for Jesus.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Blessedness in the face of slander by Ed</title>
		<link>http://esgetology.com/2010/03/06/blessedness-in-the-face-of-slander/comment-page-1/#comment-2430</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jen, I don&#039;t know if this will help, but I wanted to share my personal experience with you. My wife and I had been persecuted from May 2009 until January 2010 by the board of elders at our former congregation. And after we were kicked out of our former congregation, they continued to slander us in a letter to the congregation. 
  
Everyone in a conflict thinks they are right. But there is an objective truth and that truth comes from Scripture. After that, since many people have their own beliefs about what a certain passage means, you need to point to common doctrines. In your example, it would be hard for me to debate with prosperity gospel teachers because we don&#039;t have too many common doctrines. 
  
In my example, all parties should have been willing to reference the Book of Concord as that common doctrine since all LC-MS congregations state that they hold the teachings of the Evangelical Lutheran Church to be a right exposition of the Bible. The elders refused to listen to arguments from Scripture and the Confessions. 
  
Another tool to help discern who is being persecuted and who is persecuting whom, is each party&#039;s willingness to bring the conflict out into the open - who is willing to air all the laundry, even the dirty laundry. We asked the elders to take the conflict public so that the congregation could be apprised of the situation and they could make an informed decision about the proper course of action. Friends who were privy to the conflict also asked the elders to make it public. Because, if in fact my wife and I were guilty of the elders&#039; charges, then their actions were justified, and apologies and repentance are called for. Conversely, if it was the elders who were guilty of sinning against us, then apologies and repentance are due from them. Yet the elders refused to do so. 
 
A final tool I like to use is to ask myself, &quot;Who has something to lose by telling the truth? Who has something to lose by lying?&quot; As a professional church worker, what would I lose by lying? My call? My reputation (as a pro-life speaker and writer)? Would I put those things in jeopardy by lying? Although you should be careful not to assign motives to other people&#039;s actions, you can ask them why they are doing what they are doing and see if it is logical and sensible. 
 
So, seek an answer in Scripture and go to your common doctrines. Then see who is willing to publicly defend his side from Scripture and your common doctrines, not in rancorous arguments but in well-ordered defenses, because: 
  
&#8220;This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.&#8221;  (John 3:19-21 NIV) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jen, I don&#039;t know if this will help, but I wanted to share my personal experience with you. My wife and I had been persecuted from May 2009 until January 2010 by the board of elders at our former congregation. And after we were kicked out of our former congregation, they continued to slander us in a letter to the congregation. </p>
<p>Everyone in a conflict thinks they are right. But there is an objective truth and that truth comes from Scripture. After that, since many people have their own beliefs about what a certain passage means, you need to point to common doctrines. In your example, it would be hard for me to debate with prosperity gospel teachers because we don&#039;t have too many common doctrines. </p>
<p>In my example, all parties should have been willing to reference the Book of Concord as that common doctrine since all LC-MS congregations state that they hold the teachings of the Evangelical Lutheran Church to be a right exposition of the Bible. The elders refused to listen to arguments from Scripture and the Confessions. </p>
<p>Another tool to help discern who is being persecuted and who is persecuting whom, is each party&#039;s willingness to bring the conflict out into the open &#8211; who is willing to air all the laundry, even the dirty laundry. We asked the elders to take the conflict public so that the congregation could be apprised of the situation and they could make an informed decision about the proper course of action. Friends who were privy to the conflict also asked the elders to make it public. Because, if in fact my wife and I were guilty of the elders&#039; charges, then their actions were justified, and apologies and repentance are called for. Conversely, if it was the elders who were guilty of sinning against us, then apologies and repentance are due from them. Yet the elders refused to do so. </p>
<p>A final tool I like to use is to ask myself, &quot;Who has something to lose by telling the truth? Who has something to lose by lying?&quot; As a professional church worker, what would I lose by lying? My call? My reputation (as a pro-life speaker and writer)? Would I put those things in jeopardy by lying? Although you should be careful not to assign motives to other people&#039;s actions, you can ask them why they are doing what they are doing and see if it is logical and sensible. </p>
<p>So, seek an answer in Scripture and go to your common doctrines. Then see who is willing to publicly defend his side from Scripture and your common doctrines, not in rancorous arguments but in well-ordered defenses, because: </p>
<p>&ldquo;This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.&rdquo;  (John 3:19-21 NIV)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Burdens laid down and taken up by george</title>
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		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t mean it as criticism, but one of the places I&#039;ve been invisible is in your church--best worship music in the area though.  Organ notes whisper through the air rather than drown out the words of our faith.  I know you&#039;re one of the busy ones, as opposed to the don&#039;t care ones.  Thanks for the offer.  Don&#039;t know if I have the heart to accept.  Too frustrated.  I know we&#039;re all sinners, but we also have Jesus working in us, don&#039;t we?  I think that ought to make a difference between those walking in the Light having been washed by His blood and those still in darkness.  Maybe it&#039;s just that I&#039;m too much of a weary sinner or not enough of a social critter so I can fit in better.  Either way, my burden isn&#039;t picked up.  My ask falls on deaf ears. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#039;t mean it as criticism, but one of the places I&#039;ve been invisible is in your church&#8211;best worship music in the area though.  Organ notes whisper through the air rather than drown out the words of our faith.  I know you&#039;re one of the busy ones, as opposed to the don&#039;t care ones.  Thanks for the offer.  Don&#039;t know if I have the heart to accept.  Too frustrated.  I know we&#039;re all sinners, but we also have Jesus working in us, don&#039;t we?  I think that ought to make a difference between those walking in the Light having been washed by His blood and those still in darkness.  Maybe it&#039;s just that I&#039;m too much of a weary sinner or not enough of a social critter so I can fit in better.  Either way, my burden isn&#039;t picked up.  My ask falls on deaf ears.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cheerful He to suffering goes? by Tom Fast</title>
		<link>http://esgetology.com/2010/03/01/cheerful-he-to-suffering-goes/comment-page-1/#comment-2427</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Fast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always thought of that in a &quot;for the joy set before Him, he endured the cross&quot; kind of way. 
 
Tom Fast </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve always thought of that in a &quot;for the joy set before Him, he endured the cross&quot; kind of way. </p>
<p>Tom Fast</p>
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		<title>Comment on Burdens laid down and taken up by Christopher Esget</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Esget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George, I am truly sorry that the church has let you down. To my knowledge, I don&#039;t know you, but from your IP address it looks like you&#039;re local to the Washington, D.C. area. This is a sincere offer: if you contact me (esgetology@me.com) I would be glad to try to help you with the things you mentioned.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George, I am truly sorry that the church has let you down. To my knowledge, I don&#039;t know you, but from your IP address it looks like you&#039;re local to the Washington, D.C. area. This is a sincere offer: if you contact me (esgetology@me.com) I would be glad to try to help you with the things you mentioned.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Burdens laid down and taken up by george</title>
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		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish this were true.  It&#039;s not.  People don&#039;t really bear one another&#039;s burdens...at least not the unpopular ones or the awkward ones or the long-term ones or the less desirable ones.  And certainly not for those who are not popular or do not fit in well with the status quo.  The excuse is always well...they are only human...or they don&#039;t know what to do...or say.  They are uncomfortable.  They are unfamiliar with such things.  They mean well.  Churches print things in bulletins or post them on the website to let them know how we can help you.  But when you actually ask for help people are too busy.  I don&#039;t mean money or food or clothing, although those requests are also often rebuffed.  I mean company to sit beside you and just listen, help with understanding the bible, and true forgiveness for someone who is struggling with addiction or fighting illness or just plain hurt.  Mercy toward our &quot;brethren&quot; are for those in foreign countries or disasters, not for those in our own backyard.  Certainly not for those next to you in the pew.  I know.  I&#039;m one of them.  I&#039;ve asked.  I sit next to you yet I am invisible.  Should be enough that God knows.  Always been told people will let you down and we should only &quot;look to the One who will never let us down.&quot;  But then stuff like this quote is spoken, too.    Which is it?   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish this were true.  It&#039;s not.  People don&#039;t really bear one another&#039;s burdens&#8230;at least not the unpopular ones or the awkward ones or the long-term ones or the less desirable ones.  And certainly not for those who are not popular or do not fit in well with the status quo.  The excuse is always well&#8230;they are only human&#8230;or they don&#039;t know what to do&#8230;or say.  They are uncomfortable.  They are unfamiliar with such things.  They mean well.  Churches print things in bulletins or post them on the website to let them know how we can help you.  But when you actually ask for help people are too busy.  I don&#039;t mean money or food or clothing, although those requests are also often rebuffed.  I mean company to sit beside you and just listen, help with understanding the bible, and true forgiveness for someone who is struggling with addiction or fighting illness or just plain hurt.  Mercy toward our &quot;brethren&quot; are for those in foreign countries or disasters, not for those in our own backyard.  Certainly not for those next to you in the pew.  I know.  I&#039;m one of them.  I&#039;ve asked.  I sit next to you yet I am invisible.  Should be enough that God knows.  Always been told people will let you down and we should only &quot;look to the One who will never let us down.&quot;  But then stuff like this quote is spoken, too.    Which is it?</p>
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