Comments on: Korby, Löhe, and “Faith-Sharing Moments” http://esgetology.com/2009/05/28/korby-lohe-and-faith-sharing-moments/ Waiting for the Parousia Mon, 15 Mar 2010 00:29:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Michael Paul 白霈德牧師 http://esgetology.com/2009/05/28/korby-lohe-and-faith-sharing-moments/comment-page-1/#comment-1431 Michael Paul 白霈德牧師 Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:50:03 +0000 http://esgetology.com/?p=1004#comment-1431 I agree...very well put. Thank you. I agree…very well put. Thank you.

]]> By: Christopher Esget http://esgetology.com/2009/05/28/korby-lohe-and-faith-sharing-moments/comment-page-1/#comment-1412 Christopher Esget Thu, 28 May 2009 21:49:56 +0000 http://esgetology.com/?p=1004#comment-1412 Brilliant, Tom. Brilliant, Tom.

]]> By: Pr. Tom Fast http://esgetology.com/2009/05/28/korby-lohe-and-faith-sharing-moments/comment-page-1/#comment-1411 Pr. Tom Fast Thu, 28 May 2009 18:38:13 +0000 http://esgetology.com/?p=1004#comment-1411 I think the energy driving much of the "missional" activity in the LCMS is the energy of fear. First of all, it is the fear of death. The idea that the Church will die if we don't keep it alive by bringing in outsiders (isn't this backwards?). Secondly, the fear of failure. Pastors are afraid if their church doesn't grow numerically that they have completely failed in their calling. Talk about being set up for diabolical despair. Third, there is a combination of fear and guilt for worldlings who are dying and going to hell due to our neglect---a fear and guilt that has openly been cultivated at every district gathering I have attended, from the snapping of the fingers to that counter placed up front that keeps spinning out the ever growing population of the planet. Of course, whatever you fear most is, functionally speaking, your god. But I digress... I think the energy driving much of the "missional" activity in the LCMS is the energy of fear. First of all, it is the fear of death. The idea that the Church will die if we don't keep it alive by bringing in outsiders (isn't this backwards?). Secondly, the fear of failure. Pastors are afraid if their church doesn't grow numerically that they have completely failed in their calling. Talk about being set up for diabolical despair. Third, there is a combination of fear and guilt for worldlings who are dying and going to hell due to our neglect—a fear and guilt that has openly been cultivated at every district gathering I have attended, from the snapping of the fingers to that counter placed up front that keeps spinning out the ever growing population of the planet.

Of course, whatever you fear most is, functionally speaking, your god. But I digress…

]]> By: Christopher Esget http://esgetology.com/2009/05/28/korby-lohe-and-faith-sharing-moments/comment-page-1/#comment-1404 Christopher Esget Thu, 28 May 2009 17:23:41 +0000 http://esgetology.com/?p=1004#comment-1404 Are you being facetious? It seems like the experience of man is the energy of today's church. Are you being facetious? It seems like the experience of man is the energy of today's church.

]]> By: Christopher Esget http://esgetology.com/2009/05/28/korby-lohe-and-faith-sharing-moments/comment-page-1/#comment-1409 Christopher Esget Thu, 28 May 2009 15:58:42 +0000 http://esgetology.com/?p=1004#comment-1409 I wish that the Church of the Augsburg Confession would everywhere present herself as such, so that people pining for an evangelical, sacramental church (i.e., a truly catholic church) would be able to find her. I wish that the Church of the Augsburg Confession would everywhere present herself as such, so that people pining for an evangelical, sacramental church (i.e., a truly catholic church) would be able to find her.

]]> By: Christopher Esget http://esgetology.com/2009/05/28/korby-lohe-and-faith-sharing-moments/comment-page-1/#comment-1408 Christopher Esget Thu, 28 May 2009 14:45:29 +0000 http://esgetology.com/?p=1004#comment-1408 That came off wrong. I was wondering if you were joking. :) That came off wrong. I was wondering if you were joking. :)

]]> By: Aaron http://esgetology.com/2009/05/28/korby-lohe-and-faith-sharing-moments/comment-page-1/#comment-1406 Aaron Thu, 28 May 2009 14:13:19 +0000 http://esgetology.com/?p=1004#comment-1406 It's curious how the Tractarians during the Victorian Era saw the same problem with testimonialism, and came to believe that the proper corrective was church order (as you just mentioned). It is a shame they were so cut off from confessional theology that instead of turning to the Word (as opposed to just "words") they turned to Rome. That said, it is clear to me, after reading about the Tractarians, that the Church of the Augsburg Confession is the Via Media that Newman originally sought--thoroughly evangelical, thoroughly sacramental. It's curious how the Tractarians during the Victorian Era saw the same problem with testimonialism, and came to believe that the proper corrective was church order (as you just mentioned). It is a shame they were so cut off from confessional theology that instead of turning to the Word (as opposed to just "words") they turned to Rome. That said, it is clear to me, after reading about the Tractarians, that the Church of the Augsburg Confession is the Via Media that Newman originally sought–thoroughly evangelical, thoroughly sacramental.

]]> By: Christopher Esget http://esgetology.com/2009/05/28/korby-lohe-and-faith-sharing-moments/comment-page-1/#comment-1405 Christopher Esget Thu, 28 May 2009 13:30:38 +0000 http://esgetology.com/?p=1004#comment-1405 I should add that, in the article, Korby/Löhe see the papacy (or church government in general) as the/an alternative. After the last sentence quoted in my post, Korby continues: "It is not the constitutional order of the church, not a lord, not a bishop that is the uniting power in the center of the church, but this apostolic Word, the Scripture." I should add that, in the article, Korby/Löhe see the papacy (or church government in general) as the/an alternative. After the last sentence quoted in my post, Korby continues: "It is not the constitutional order of the church, not a lord, not a bishop that is the uniting power in the center of the church, but this apostolic Word, the Scripture."

]]> By: ToddPeperkorn http://esgetology.com/2009/05/28/korby-lohe-and-faith-sharing-moments/comment-page-1/#comment-1403 ToddPeperkorn Thu, 28 May 2009 13:19:03 +0000 http://esgetology.com/?p=1004#comment-1403 What are the alternatives to the Word of God as the energy? What are the alternatives to the Word of God as the energy?

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